Week 10
Week 10
WORST Voter -- Jon Wilner, San Jose Mercury News (posted 10/31/07)
Jon Wilner is this week's top vote-getter on Pollspeak, which was a deciding
factor over runner up, Austin Ward. Wilner has
a column explaining his AP Ballot. He seems to put a lot of thought
into it, even considering home vs. away games. However, that didn't stop
people from disagreeing with him. Here are the highlights from his week 10
ballot:
1) Wilner seems to have upset the most Buckeye fans. His #5
ranking for Ohio State is the lowest. He also ranks Arizona State #10,
which is the second lowest. (Last
week's DIS-honorable Mention, Scott Wolf, is the only voter to rank them
lower at #11.) However, Wilner's differential between the two teams (5) is
actually pretty average. He explains his reasoning in his column.
2) In place of the typical undefeated teams, Wilner places once-beaten LSU
and Oregon in the #1 and #2 spots. Two others agree with him on LSU and
four others agree with Oregon.
3) His other votes on the edge include: Georgia -- with its
highest ranking of #8, West Virginia -- with its lowest ranking of #9 (four
others agree), and Florida -- with its highest ranking of #11 (two others
agree). Pollspeak isn't making judgments about the quality of these picks.
Although the quantity of his extreme picks is a concern.
4) SEC bias? Wilner is in the top 10% of rankings for nearly
all SEC teams: LSU, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Tennessee and
Kentucky. Alabama (#16) is the only one where he is at least a bit closer
to the consensus.
5) We'll consider breaking
Rule #1
a minor infraction at this point since it is both controversial, and it is
getting harder to track as the season goes on. Still, Wilner ranked South
Carolina over Tennessee, and Florida over Auburn even though those teams have
the same number of losses (3). He also ranked South Florida (#14)
significantly over Connecticut (#23) even though UConn only has one loss to
USF's two, and UConn won the head-to-head.
There are other items that could be pointed out, but these are the
highlights. We'll let you discuss the rest on our
FORUMS.
Week 10
DIS-honorable Mention -- Austin Ward, Casper Star-Tribune
(posted 10/31/07)
Like Wilner, Ward publishes an article about his AP Ballot. Of course,
it's written for entertainment as well as education, but it does give you some
insight into what he was thinking. Read his article
HERE. Highlights from his
week 10 Ballot include:
1) Ward ranks New Mexico. He is the only voter to rank them at
all, and he checks them in at #22. No computer has them ranked near the
top 25 and the computers that rank schedules place New Mexico's between 82 and
101. 6-2 New Mexico did beat respectable Air Force and Wyoming teams, but
nothing about New Mexico screams top 25 yet, and unfortunately for them, their
schedule doesn't include any more top 25 teams to help their cause.
2) Probably not a coincidence, but one of New Mexico's losses came from BYU,
whom Ward also ranks. Five voters did rank BYU, but Ward gives them their
highest ranking at #17. Again, 5-2 BYU is lacking what most voters
would consider a signature win to be ranked so high at #17. Of course, for
Ward, that signature win could be New Mexico.
3) By adding two less-popular teams to his ballots, something had to
give. In this case, Ward is the only voter to leave 6-2 USC off of his
ballot completely. He is also one of seven voters to leave USF off his
ballot.
4) Ward gives West Virginia its lowest ranking at #9 (tied with four
others), Texas its lowest ranking at #25 (tied with one other), Alabama its
highest ranking at #11 (tied with one other), and is one of only two people to
rank Arizona State #1. None of these alone is cause for concern, but in
total, seven extreme votes are...well...extreme.
5) As with Wilner, we'll consider breaking
Rule #1
a minor infraction at this point. Ward ranked Florida over Auburn, and
Tennessee over Cal (as most did) even though all teams have the same number of
losses (3). He also ranked Auburn over USF even though USF only has two
losses and won the head-to-head. As mentioned, he has USF unranked.
There are other items that could be pointed out, but these are the
highlights. We'll let you discuss the rest on our
FORUMS.
Computer
Round-Up (posted 10/31/07)
Computer Round-Up is a quick look at the computer polls; particularly where
they disagree with the human polls or with each other.
1) The computers generally like South Florida. The human polls rank USF
-- Harris = #20, AP = #20, Coaches' = #21. Two of the computer polls (Sagarin &
Massey) have USF in the top 10. Colley has them ranked #11, Wolfe #12
and Anderson Hester #14. The lowest ranking is Billingsley at #19.
2) The computers generally don't like Wisconsin. The human polls
rank the Badgers -- Harris = #21, AP = #26, Coaches' = #19. However no computer
ranks them in the top 25 -- Colley = unranked, Sagarin = #47, Wolfe = #41,
Massey = #42, Anderson Hester #30. Billingsley comes closest with a #26
ranking that matches the AP Poll.
3) The Hawaii watch remains the same. Only one computer thinks
Hawaii is a top 25 team. Wolfe still rates them best at #14. The next
best ranking is Anderson Hester at #33. Colley has them unranked, and
Massey has them at #55. Two overtime wins and one of the weakest schedules in
the country is the reason for the lack of digital respect.
4) Clemson and Wake Forest are fighting for ACC mindshare with the pollsters.
Both are ranked in the top 25 by every computer except one (Anderson Hester has
Clemson #27 as the only exception), but the AP is the only human poll to rank
both. The Coaches like Clemson while Harris voters like Wake.
5) Sagarin now ranks Kansas as the #1 team. It also dislikes Boston
College the most (#7). The other computers have BC ranked either #1 or #2.
The other computers have Kansas ranked mostly #4 or #6, with Billingsly the
lowest at #8.
6) The computers and pollsters generally agree that Michigan falls in the #14
- #20 range. However, Billingsley loves the Wolverines and ranks them #7.
(Note: this is likely due to Billingsley not including IAA teams in its
ratings.)
There are other items that could be pointed out, but these are the
highlights. We'll let you discuss the rest on our
FORUMS.
Quick
Hits From Around the Country (posted 10/31/07)
The whole ESPN crew (Chris
Fowler,
Kirk Herbstreit and
Craig James) -- have Boston College ranked lowest in the country.
Fowler and Herbstreit are two of the five who ranked BC lowest at #6 and James
is tied with four others who rank BC #5.
Adam Van Brimmer, Savannah Morning News -- still has Hawaii (#8), Troy (#20)
and Boise State (#11)ranked highest in the country. He also has BYU ranked
second highest (#19) only behind Austin Ward above. See
last week's Worst Voter of the Week
section for more info on Brimmer. He is only one of two people not to rank
Virginia Tech (along with
Alex Abrams) He will continue to stay on Pollspeak's radar.
Scott Wolf, Los Angeles Daily News -- may be another perennial voter on the
list. See last week's
DIS-honorable Mention section for more info on Wolf. He still has
Arizona State lowest of any ballot (#11) as well as the largest differential
between Ohio State (#1) and Arizona State. He also has Kentucky (#15),
Texas (#8) and Oklahoma (#3) ranked highest. Although nine others agree
about he Sooners.
Rich Kaipust, Omaha World-Herald -- is the only voter to do it twice in one
week. That is ranking a winning team behind the loser of a head-to-head
match-up, when the loser has a WORSE record. He has Rutgers over
Cincinnati, and South Florida over Connecticut. He is actually the only
voter to rank Rutgers (#25). He also gives West Virginia their highest
ranking (#2).
Neal McCready, Mobile Press-Register -- Big 10 bias? McCready gave the
highest rankings to both Purdue (#18) and Illinois (#23). Only one voter
ranked Wisconsin (#16) higher than him, and only two voters ranked Michigan
(#11) higher than him (however, 8 voters agreed).
John Moredich, Tucson (AZ) Citizen -- gives Clemson (#14) its highest
ranking. He even went so far as to rank them higher than Virginia Tech
(#16), who has the same record and beat Clemson soundly in the head-to-head
match-up.
Kirk Herbstreit, WBNS-AM Columbus (ESPN) -- in addition to his BC ranking,
he is the only voter to put Oklahoma State (#21) on his ballot. He ranks
them over Texas A&M and Troy...two teams with better records, but who beat
Oklahoma State in head to head match-ups. He also gives Auburn their highest
ranking (#10) and puts them well ahead of South Florida (#22), who once again
has a better record and beat Auburn.
Glenn Guilbeau, Gannett Louisiana -- gives California (#13) and Virginia
Tech (#6) their highest rankings. He also gives Oklahoma (#8) its lowest
ranking (2 others agreed).
Mike Prater, Idaho Statesman -- gives USC its highest ranking (#8) and
Kansas its lowest (#11). Because of this he also has the largest
differential between Ohio State and Kansas (10)...two undefeated teams with
similar strength of schedule. (Ohio State does have stronger SOS according to
the computers...but they are not far enough apart to warrant the 10 ranking
difference.)
Tommy Trujillo, The New Mexican -- gave Boston College its lone #1 vote.
Tom Keegan, Lawrence Journal World -- is the only voter to rank UCLA, and he
ranked them an impressive #15. He also ranked USC second-highest (#10).
One thing is for sure, Keegan loves L.A.
Mike DeArmond, Kansas City Star -- Ranks Missouri highest at #6, while
ranking LSU (#7) and West Virginia (#9 along with four others) their lowest.
LSU lost its only two #1 votes in the Harris Interactive poll and also lost two
in the AP poll (leaving three #1 votes there). Oregon is the only other
one-loss team to receive a #1 vote. They received a #1 vote in the
Coaches' poll.
There are other items that could be pointed out, but these are the
highlights. We'll let you discuss the rest on our
FORUMS.
GOOD Voter
of Week 10 -- Kirk Bohls, Austin American Statesman (posted 10/31/07)
Kirk Bohls is the latest Good Voter of the Week. First, he shows little
bias between the four undefeated teams (with similar schedules):
- Ohio State = #1
- Boston College= #2
- Arizona State = #6
- Kansas = #7
It isn't the highest & tightest grouping (that honor goes to
Bret Bloomquist), but it is certainly within a reasonable range.
The main reason we singled Bohls out; however, is that he really put a lot of
thought into sorting out the convoluted SEC. He is one of the very few who
made all of these choices:
- Georgia = #13, Alabama = #16
- Tennessee = #19, South Carolina = #23
- South Carolina = #23, Kentucky = #24
- Auburn = #12, Florida = #18
- Florida - #18, Tennessee = #19
- Florida = #18, Kentucky = #24
Alabama and Georgia have two losses and are ranked highest (with Georgia on
top since they won the head-to-head). All the rest have three losses and
are ranked with the winner of the head-to-head match-up ranked ahead of the
loser. This is no easy feat with so many combinations.
His ballot isn't "perfect" (if there were such a thing). Michigan's
rivals might complain they are too high. Oklahoma fans will complain they
are too low. USF and Cal fans will complain that they should be over teams
they beat. However, Bohls is being rewarded for really taking into account
how the actual games played out a MAJORITY of the time and making major ballot
changes when necessary. This is not the norm for AP voters.
Discuss Good Voters of the Week on our
FORUMS.
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